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Is Microsoft getting ahead of itself? Messages   Related Types This message was discovered on ASPFriends.com 'ngfx-hailstorm' list. Phil Winstanley http://news.com.com/2100-1001-839853.html I think this was written by either a Sun employee or a High Court judge ;) Plip. -- Phil Winstanley http://www.phil.winstanley.name mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address -- =20 Reply to this message...        Robert Eisenberg http://iwsun3.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/fixup.pl?story=http://www.infoworld. com/articles/hn/xml/02/02/21/020221hnmyservices.xml&dctag=webservices It looks like even MS thinks they do have some issues with the business model. Robert Eisenberg RE Associates www.reassociates.net Click here to reveal e-mail address Office: 650/591-9038 -----Original Message----- From: Phil Winstanley [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:01 AM To: ngfx-hailstorm Subject: [ngfx-hailstorm] Is Microsoft getting ahead of itself? http://news.com.com/2100-1001-839853.html I think this was written by either a Sun employee or a High Court judge ;) Plip. -- Phil Winstanley http://www.phil.winstanley.name mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address -- | [ngfx-hailstorm] member Click here to reveal e-mail address = YOUR ID | http://www.aspfriends.com/aspfriends/ngfx-hailstorm.asp = JOIN/QUIT Reply to this message...        Paul D. Murphy Okay I'm stepping here because I almost never criticize Microsoft (at least not since 98 when they 'got it together'), but here goes. NMS is great but absolutely useless unless the core of the service fabric is given away to the government. Huh? Why would I say that? It's all about identity, that's why. As an object guy I've been taught that a properly modeled system is one that mimics the operations, attributes, and communication patterns between real world objects. As a programmer I've found this approach works very well and is a good model for developing software. So what's the problem with NMS and Identity? It doesn't model the real world. Out here in the real world identity is controlled by the government. Its one thing the government does right most of the time. Imagine what the world would be like if Coca-Cola issued identity cards and Taco Bell wouldn't let you buy something from them without a PepsiCo issued identity. More to the point, what if you get a check from someone and you need to run down and cash it but their bank doesn't support the Coca-Cola Id, only the Pepsi one. I'm sure check cashing stores that honored all Ids' might do a brisk business, but life for most people would be a lot more complex. The nature of the NMS payload allows for any authenticated caller to access and manipulate the user data via permission based roles. Neat. The real world works that same way except the authentication normally goes through a trusted document issued by a reliable agency, not a third-party corporation. I've been in restaurants where American Express is not taken. I've been to tons of stores that actually take a Diners Club Card. I've never been asked to authenticate myself and had my drivers license denied. With NMS everything hinges on having the appropriate rights to access, create or modify data. With Microsoft, AOL, and the Sun crew all slugging away at creating the perfect store for your personal information there will be a lot of options. Options are great but not for critical core aspects of human life, like identity. If Microsoft really wants to make NMS work they need to give away passport to government agencies around the world. All other aspects of the fabric are wide open for competition, but identity should be left where it is in the real world. My prediction is that NMS will quietly dissipate into a few nifty enhancements to current Microsoft products. The license models will drop down in price along with the scope of the services. It's sad because the opportunity to eXPerience Star Trek like computing is around the corner and NMS is a big piece of that vision, but identity is the key (literally) to making everything work. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Robert Eisenberg [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address]=20 Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:11 AM To: ngfx-hailstorm Subject: [ngfx-hailstorm] RE: Is Microsoft getting ahead of itself? http://iwsun3.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/fixup.pl?story=3Dhttp://www.infoworld= . com/articles/hn/xml/02/02/21/020221hnmyservices.xml&dctag=3Dwebservices It looks like even MS thinks they do have some issues with the business model. Robert Eisenberg RE Associates www.reassociates.net Click here to reveal e-mail address Office: 650/591-9038 -----Original Message----- From: Phil Winstanley [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address]=20 Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:01 AM To: ngfx-hailstorm Subject: [ngfx-hailstorm] Is Microsoft getting ahead of itself? http://news.com.com/2100-1001-839853.html I think this was written by either a Sun employee or a High Court judge ;) Plip. -- Phil Winstanley http://www.phil.winstanley.name mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address -- =20 | [ngfx-hailstorm] member Click here to reveal e-mail address =3D YOUR ID | http://www.aspfriends.com/aspfriends/ngfx-hailstorm.asp =3D JOIN/QUIT | [ngfx-hailstorm] member Click here to reveal e-mail address =3D YOUR ID | http://www.aspfriends.com/aspfriends/ngfx-hailstorm.asp =3D JOIN/QUIT Reply to this message...     Ad MBR BootFX Best-of-breed application framework for .NET projects, developed by Matthew Baxter-Reynolds and MBR IT

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