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.NET My Services news letter #1 Messages   Related Types This message was discovered on ASPFriends.com 'ngfx-hailstorm' list. Phil Winstanley .NET My Services Central Lovely news letter for you here, I'm gonna try and keep sending these out. Microsoft Teams With Corillian to Provide .NET-Based Service to Financial Professionals Industry Leader to Implement "MSN Money Professional" and Make Service Available To Top 100 U.S. Banks http://www.corillian.com/news/News.asp?cmd=view&articleid=152 Microsoft's Hailstorm : A Good Idea? By Brien M. Posey http://www.networkstorageforum.com/management/features/article/0,,10558_945581,00.html AOL shadows Microsoft on instant alerts "The web services skirmish between America Online Inc (AOL) and Microsoft Corp continued yesterday, as the service provider launched a set of real-time alerts that extend to mobile devices and mirror Redmond's own .NET Alerts system." http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/23/23640.html Two single sign-ons, Passport and Liberty Being able to authenticate your identity via a third party is a fundamental Web service. However, since no single company will ever be able to sign up all Internet users, the importance of a widely accepted federation system to cross trust boundaries and enable single sign-in is paramount. This article reviews the two current leaders, Microsoft's Passport and the Liberty Alliance Project. Read on to learn about how Kerberos works, how Passport could make use of Kerberos for federation, what the objectives of the Liberty Alliance are and more.. http://www.webservices.org/article.php?sid=370 What do people think to the above links, anyone got any comments? Oh yeah if anyone spots something on the Web about .NET My Services or its relating technologies please drop me the URL and it will be included in the directory I'm building up and posted out in these news letters! :) Thanks for your time! Plip. -- .NET My Services Central The only site dedicated to .NET My Services http://www.myservicescentral.com mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address -- Reply to this message...        Phil Winstanley Except next time I send it out I'll do it in plain text so its readable, sorry about that. Plip. -- Phil Winstanley. Creations Group Limited Web : http://www.creations-group.com Mail : mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address The Goblins are coming! Run Away! -- -----Original Message----- From: Phil Winstanley [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address] Sent: 14 January 2002 16:10 To: ngfx-hailstorm Subject: [ngfx-hailstorm] .NET My Services news letter #1 .NET My Services Central Lovely news letter for you here, I'm gonna try and keep sending these out. Microsoft Teams With Corillian to Provide .NET-Based Service to Financial Professionals Industry Leader to Implement "MSN Money Professional" and Make Service Available To Top 100 U.S. Banks http://www.corillian.com/news/News.asp?cmd=view&articleid=152 <http://www.corillian.com/news/News.asp?cmd=view&articleid=152> Microsoft's Hailstorm : A Good Idea? By Brien M. Posey http://www.networkstorageforum.com/management/features/article/0,,10558_ 945581,00.html <http://www.networkstorageforum.com/management/features/article/0,,10558 _945581,00.html> AOL shadows Microsoft on instant alerts "The web services skirmish between America Online Inc (AOL) and Microsoft Corp continued yesterday, as the service provider launched a set of real-time alerts that extend to mobile devices and mirror Redmond's own .NET Alerts system." http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/23/23640.html <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/23/23640.html> Two single sign-ons, Passport and Liberty Being able to authenticate your identity via a third party is a fundamental Web service. However, since no single company will ever be able to sign up all Internet users, the importance of a widely accepted federation system to cross trust boundaries and enable single sign-in is paramount. This article reviews the two current leaders, Microsoft's Passport and the Liberty Alliance Project. Read on to learn about how Kerberos works, how Passport could make use of Kerberos for federation, what the objectives of the Liberty Alliance are and more.. http://www.webservices.org/article.php?sid=370 What do people think to the above links, anyone got any comments? Oh yeah if anyone spots something on the Web about .NET My Services or its relating technologies please drop me the URL and it will be included in the directory I'm building up and posted out in these news letters! :) Thanks for your time! Plip. -- .NET My Services Central The only site dedicated to .NET My Services http://www.myservicescentral.com <http://www.myservicescentral.com> mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address <mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address> -- | [ngfx-hailstorm] member Click here to reveal e-mail address = YOUR ID | http://www.aspfriends.com/aspfriends/ngfx-hailstorm.asp = JOIN/QUIT Reply to this message...        Paul D. Murphy Two single sign-ons, Passport and Liberty Being able to authenticate your identity via a third party is a fundamental Web service. However, since no single company will ever be able to sign up all Internet users, the importance of a widely accepted federation system to cross trust boundaries and enable single sign-in is paramount. This article reviews the two current leaders, Microsoft's Passport and the Liberty Alliance Project. Read on to learn about how Kerberos works, how Passport could make use of Kerberos for federation, what the objectives of the Liberty Alliance are and more.. http://www.webservices.org/article.php?sid=370 I think the online world should mirror the real world and a government agency should control identity. Everything else is fair game in the open markets, but if you look the dynamics of the way things work in the flesh, the way things work in the cloud shouldn't be different. I never thought I would suggest my government get involved in my industry, but identity is sacred. If you think about how easy it is right now to create an online identity, what the wide spread acceptance of this technology will mean for day to day consumption of goods and services, and the possible elements of fraud that you could exploit with multiple identities; you have a lot of issues. Not to mention the technical aspects of it. In the United States the individual states control identity and it just seems to work. I have to whip out my drivers license to do almost anything, especially since September 11, because people know that they can trust the governments identity system It's not 100% perfect and it can be faked but it's a little more work than creating an online identity and the perception is that it's safe, regulated and accurate. I'm not certain that I can say the same for any corporate technology. The technical issues are obvious, with a bunch of different identity issuers what happens. Right now I have msn accounts, hotmail account, aol accounts and my cable modem accounts, should I go and get a liberty account so I only have to put my information into 3 or 4 places instead of dozens? Or do we as good programmers accept every ones service (lots of licensing fees) and just add a new element to our web apps, the login button row. The other issue that would be solved by issuing identity via a government agency is legal control. In Germany you can't by Nazi memorabilia; In this country you can. E-Bay would be much better served if they could filter content based on identity controlled by a government standard. With a government issued identity the law that dictates the level of service E-Bay can provide can be implicitly associated with a group (ala German Citizens can't purchase Nazi memorabilia.). Time for me to stop ranting. I love what MS is doing with NMS, but I'm about certain that the whole identity issue and everyone fighting to snatch this element of life away from the government will be the downfall of the whole system. Hope I'm wrong though, this stuff is neat and could just change the way people use the computer. Paul Reply to this message...        Mike Amundsen Paul: For the most part, I agree. Credit Card initially suffered from the same fragmentation and lack of confidence, but they overcame it. while I think that free arkets can work for identity (ala banks and credit cards), i'd like to see a single identity tied to governments instead. this would include auditing and privacy checks as well. possibly a government standard, administered via gov't offices, but 'franshised' to freee market companies that *must* share the identity database would work. much like govenrment social service identity cards an services are bid out to contractors. whatever it is, i sure hope it starts happening soon... MCA -----Original Message----- From: Paul D. Murphy [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:00 PM To: ngfx-hailstorm Subject: [ngfx-hailstorm] RE: .NET My Services news letter #1 Two single sign-ons, Passport and Liberty Being able to authenticate your identity via a third party is a fundamental Web service. However, since no single company will ever be able to sign up all Internet users, the importance of a widely accepted federation system to cross trust boundaries and enable single sign-in is paramount. This article reviews the two current leaders, Microsoft's Passport and the Liberty Alliance Project. Read on to learn about how Kerberos works, how Passport could make use of Kerberos for federation, what the objectives of the Liberty Alliance are and more.. http://www.webservices.org/article.php?sid=370 I think the online world should mirror the real world and a government agency should control identity. Everything else is fair game in the open markets, but if you look the dynamics of the way things work in the flesh, the way things work in the cloud shouldn't be different. I never thought I would suggest my government get involved in my industry, but identity is sacred. If you think about how easy it is right now to create an online identity, what the wide spread acceptance of this technology will mean for day to day consumption of goods and services, and the possible elements of fraud that you could exploit with multiple identities; you have a lot of issues. Not to mention the technical aspects of it. In the United States the individual states control identity and it just seems to work. I have to whip out my drivers license to do almost anything, especially since September 11, because people know that they can trust the governments identity system It's not 100% perfect and it can be faked but it 's a little more work than creating an online identity and the perception is that it's safe, regulated and accurate. I'm not certain that I can say the same for any corporate technology. The technical issues are obvious, with a bunch of different identity issuers what happens. Right now I have msn accounts, hotmail account, aol accounts and my cable modem accounts, should I go and get a liberty account so I only have to put my information into 3 or 4 places instead of dozens? Or do we as good programmers accept every ones service (lots of licensing fees) and just add a new element to our web apps, the login button row. The other issue that would be solved by issuing identity via a government agency is legal control. In Germany you can't by Nazi memorabilia; In this country you can. E-Bay would be much better served if they could filter content based on identity controlled by a government standard. With a government issued identity the law that dictates the level of service E-Bay can provide can be implicitly associated with a group (ala German Citizens can't purchase Nazi memorabilia.). Time for me to stop ranting. I love what MS is doing with NMS, but I'm about certain that the whole identity issue and everyone fighting to snatch this element of life away from the government will be the downfall of the whole system. Hope I'm wrong though, this stuff is neat and could just change the way people use the computer. Paul | [ngfx-hailstorm] member Click here to reveal e-mail address = YOUR ID | http://www.aspfriends.com/aspfriends/ngfx-hailstorm.asp = JOIN/QUIT Reply to this message...        Phil Winstanley I think that these are all great ideas but in reality it isn't going to happen - not until there are no boundaries in the world whatsoever. Because of the nature of the internet it crosses international boundaries; this is something governments do not. Take for example currencies, in the last couple of weeks the majority of Europe has moved to the Euro. Why not the US dollar? Which government controls it, who decides on the standards etc? It's a legislative nightmare. I think if anyone should have control over such a system it would have to be someone like the W3C which represents a very broad spectrum of companies, academic researchers, and people in many different countries. Whilst there would obviously have to be some kind of government agency in each country responsible for coordinating the real-life <> cyber-life identities I don't think you could have say the US or the UK or even an "Alliance" of countries as the legislator because that means people not in those countries are left out. Here in the UK there is a great deal of controversy as to whether we should carry around identity - currently we don't and there is no legal form of identification other than a Passport (Government issued not Microsoft!), many people want anonymity - whilst this is bad for companies for the individuals it is great they can do what they like when they like and with whom they like. If this is the case for one little country imagine trying to get the *world* to adopt such a project? Remember there is a World out side of the U.S.!!! (Nothing is more irritating when you fill in a form on a website and you Must enter a Zip code or choose a state and you're not in the U.S. people have to remember to think on an international scale. Ok I'm finished sulking now :-) Plip. -- Phil Winstanley. Creations Group Limited Web : http://www.creations-group.com Mail : mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address The Goblins are coming! Run Away! -- -----Original Message----- From: Mike Amundsen [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address] Sent: 14 January 2002 20:08 To: ngfx-hailstorm Subject: [ngfx-hailstorm] RE: .NET My Services news letter #1 Paul: For the most part, I agree. Credit Card initially suffered from the same fragmentation and lack of confidence, but they overcame it. while I think that free arkets can work for identity (ala banks and credit cards), i'd like to see a single identity tied to governments instead. this would include auditing and privacy checks as well. possibly a government standard, administered via gov't offices, but 'franshised' to freee market companies that *must* share the identity database would work. much like govenrment social service identity cards an services are bid out to contractors. whatever it is, i sure hope it starts happening soon... MCA     -----Original Message-----     From: Paul D. Murphy [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address]     Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:00 PM     To: ngfx-hailstorm     Subject: [ngfx-hailstorm] RE: .NET My Services news letter #1     Two single sign-ons, Passport and Liberty     Being able to authenticate your identity via a third party is a fundamental Web service. However, since no single company will ever be able to sign up all Internet users, the importance of a widely accepted federation system to cross trust boundaries and enable single sign-in is paramount. This article reviews the two current leaders, Microsoft's Passport and the Liberty Alliance Project. Read on to learn about how Kerberos works, how Passport could make use of Kerberos for federation, what the objectives of the Liberty Alliance are and more..     http://www.webservices.org/article.php?sid=370                    I think the online world should mirror the real world and a government agency should control identity. Everything else is fair game in the open markets, but if you look the dynamics of the way things work in the flesh, the way things work in the cloud shouldn't be different. I never thought I would suggest my government get involved in my industry, but identity is sacred. If you think about how easy it is right now to create an online identity, what the wide spread acceptance of this technology will mean for day to day consumption of goods and services, and the possible elements of fraud that you could exploit with multiple identities; you have a lot of issues. Not to mention the technical aspects of it.          In the United States the individual states control identity and it just seems to work. I have to whip out my drivers license to do almost anything, especially since September 11, because people know that they can trust the governments identity system It's not 100% perfect and it can be faked but it's a little more work than creating an online identity and the perception is that it's safe, regulated and accurate. I'm not certain that I can say the same for any corporate technology.          The technical issues are obvious, with a bunch of different identity issuers what happens. Right now I have msn accounts, hotmail account, aol accounts and my cable modem accounts, should I go and get a liberty account so I only have to put my information into 3 or 4 places instead of dozens? Or do we as good programmers accept every ones service (lots of licensing fees) and just add a new element to our web apps, the login button row.          The other issue that would be solved by issuing identity via a government agency is legal control. In Germany you can't by Nazi memorabilia; In this country you can. E-Bay would be much better served if they could filter content based on identity controlled by a government standard. With a government issued identity the law that dictates the level of service E-Bay can provide can be implicitly associated with a group (ala German Citizens can't purchase Nazi memorabilia.).          Time for me to stop ranting. I love what MS is doing with NMS, but I'm about certain that the whole identity issue and everyone fighting to snatch this element of life away from the government will be the downfall of the whole system. Hope I'm wrong though, this stuff is neat and could just change the way people use the computer.               Paul               | [ngfx-hailstorm] member Click here to reveal e-mail address = YOUR ID | http://www.aspfriends.com/aspfriends/ngfx-hailstorm.asp = JOIN/QUIT | [ngfx-hailstorm] member Click here to reveal e-mail address = YOUR ID | http://www.aspfriends.com/aspfriends/ngfx-hailstorm.asp = JOIN/QUIT Reply to this message...        Todd Carrico InterNIC might be a good example. tc -----Original Message----- From: Phil Winstanley [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address]=20 Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:16 PM To: ngfx-hailstorm Subject: [ngfx-hailstorm] RE: .NET My Services news letter #1 I think that these are all great ideas but in reality it isn't going to happen - not until there are no boundaries in the world whatsoever. Because of the nature of the internet it crosses international = boundaries; this is something governments do not. Take for example currencies, in the last couple of weeks the majority = of Europe has moved to the Euro. Why not the US dollar? Which government controls it, who decides on the standards etc? It's a legislative nightmare. I think if anyone should have control = over such a system it would have to be someone like the W3C which represents = a very broad spectrum of companies, academic researchers, and people in = many different countries. Whilst there would obviously have to be some kind of government agency = in each country responsible for coordinating the real-life <> cyber-life identities I don't think you could have say the US or the UK or even an "Alliance" of countries as the legislator because that means people not = in those countries are left out. Here in the UK there is a great deal of controversy as to whether we = should carry around identity - currently we don't and there is no legal form = of identification other than a Passport (Government issued not = Microsoft!), many people want anonymity - whilst this is bad for companies for the individuals it is great they can do what they like when they like and = with whom they like. If this is the case for one little country imagine = trying to get the *world* to adopt such a project? Remember there is a World out side of the U.S.!!! (Nothing is more irritating when you fill in a form on a website and you Must enter a = Zip code or choose a state and you're not in the U.S. people have to = remember to think on an international scale. Ok I'm finished sulking now m Plip. -- Phil Winstanley. Creations Group Limited Web : http://www.creations-group.com Mail : mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address The Goblins are coming! Run Away! -- =A0=20 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Amundsen [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address]=20 Sent: 14 January 2002 20:08 To: ngfx-hailstorm Subject: [ngfx-hailstorm] RE: .NET My Services news letter #1 Paul: =A0 For the most part, I agree.=A0 Credit Card initially suffered from the = same fragmentation and lack of confidence, but they overcame it.=A0 while I = think that free arkets can work for identity (ala banks and credit cards), = i'd like to see a single identity tied to governments instead. this would include auditing and privacy checks as well.=A0 possibly a government standard, administered via gov't offices, but 'franshised' to freee = market companies that *must* share the identity database would work.=A0 much = like govenrment social service identity cards an services are bid out to contractors. =A0 whatever it is, i sure hope it starts happening soon... =A0 MCA -----Original Message----- From: Paul D. Murphy [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:00 PM To: ngfx-hailstorm Subject: [ngfx-hailstorm] RE: .NET My Services news letter #1 Two single sign-ons, Passport and Liberty Being able to authenticate your identity via a third party is a = fundamental Web service. However, since no single company will ever be able to sign = up all Internet users, the importance of a widely accepted federation = system to cross trust boundaries and enable single sign-in is paramount. This = article reviews the two current leaders, Microsoft's Passport and the Liberty Alliance Project. Read on to learn about how Kerberos works, how = Passport could make use of Kerberos for federation, what the objectives of the Liberty Alliance are and more..=20 http://www.webservices.org/article.php?sid=3D370 =20 I think the online world should mirror the real world and a government agency should control identity. Everything else is fair game in the = open markets, but if you look the dynamics of the way things work in the = flesh, the way things work in the cloud shouldn't be different. I never = thought I would suggest my government get involved in my industry, but identity = is sacred. If you think about how easy it is right now to create an online identity, what the wide spread acceptance of this technology will mean = for day to day consumption of goods and services, and the possible elements = of fraud that you could exploit with multiple identities; you have a lot = of issues. Not to mention the technical aspects of it. In the United States the individual states control identity and it just seems to work. I have to whip out my drivers license to do almost = anything, especially since September 11, because people know that they can trust = the governments identity system It's not 100% perfect and it can be faked = but it's a little more work than creating an online identity and the = perception is that it's safe, regulated and accurate. I'm not certain that I can = say the same for any corporate technology. The technical issues are obvious, with a bunch of different identity = issuers what happens. Right now I have msn accounts, hotmail account, aol = accounts and my cable modem accounts, should I go and get a liberty account so I = only have to put my information into 3 or 4 places instead of dozens? Or do = we as good programmers accept every ones service (lots of licensing fees) and = just add a new element to our web apps, the login button row. The other issue that would be solved by issuing identity via a = government agency is legal control. In Germany you can't by Nazi memorabilia; In = this country you can. E-Bay would be much better served if they could filter content based on identity controlled by a government standard. With a government issued identity the law that dictates the level of service = E-Bay can provide can be implicitly associated with a group (ala German = Citizens can't purchase Nazi memorabilia.). Time for me to stop ranting. I love what MS is doing with NMS, but I'm = about certain that the whole identity issue and everyone fighting to snatch = this element of life away from the government will be the downfall of the = whole system. Hope I'm wrong though, this stuff is neat and could just change = the way people use the computer. Paul | [ngfx-hailstorm] member Click here to reveal e-mail address =3D YOUR ID | http://www.aspfriends.com/aspfriends/ngfx-hailstorm.asp =3D JOIN/QUIT=20 | [ngfx-hailstorm] member Click here to reveal e-mail address =3D YOUR = ID | http://www.aspfriends.com/aspfriends/ngfx-hailstorm.asp =3D JOIN/QUIT=20 | [ngfx-hailstorm] member Click here to reveal e-mail address =3D YOUR ID | http://www.aspfriends.com/aspfriends/ngfx-hailstorm.asp =3D JOIN/QUIT=20 Reply to this message...        Paul D. Murphy Or the UN. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Todd Carrico [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address]=20 Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 5:17 PM To: ngfx-hailstorm Subject: [ngfx-hailstorm] RE: .NET My Services news letter #1 InterNIC might be a good example. tc -----Original Message----- From: Phil Winstanley [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address]=20 Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:16 PM To: ngfx-hailstorm Subject: [ngfx-hailstorm] RE: .NET My Services news letter #1 I think that these are all great ideas but in reality it isn't going to happen - not until there are no boundaries in the world whatsoever. Because of the nature of the internet it crosses international = boundaries; this is something governments do not. Take for example currencies, in the last couple of weeks the majority of Europe has moved to the Euro. Why not the US dollar? Which government controls it, who decides on the standards etc? It's a legislative nightmare. I think if anyone should have control over such a system it would have to be someone like the W3C which represents = a very broad spectrum of companies, academic researchers, and people in = many different countries. Whilst there would obviously have to be some kind of government agency = in each country responsible for coordinating the real-life <> cyber-life identities I don't think you could have say the US or the UK or even an "Alliance" of countries as the legislator because that means people not = in those countries are left out. Here in the UK there is a great deal of controversy as to whether we = should carry around identity - currently we don't and there is no legal form of identification other than a Passport (Government issued not Microsoft!), many people want anonymity - whilst this is bad for companies for the individuals it is great they can do what they like when they like and = with whom they like. If this is the case for one little country imagine = trying to get the *world* to adopt such a project? Remember there is a World out side of the U.S.!!! (Nothing is more irritating when you fill in a form on a website and you Must enter a Zip code or choose a state and you're not in the U.S. people have to = remember to think on an international scale. Ok I'm finished sulking now m Plip. -- Phil Winstanley. Creations Group Limited Web : http://www.creations-group.com Mail : mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address The Goblins are coming! Run Away! -- =A0=20 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Amundsen [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address]=20 Sent: 14 January 2002 20:08 To: ngfx-hailstorm Subject: [ngfx-hailstorm] RE: .NET My Services news letter #1 Paul: =A0 For the most part, I agree.=A0 Credit Card initially suffered from the = same fragmentation and lack of confidence, but they overcame it.=A0 while I = think that free arkets can work for identity (ala banks and credit cards), i'd like to see a single identity tied to governments instead. this would include auditing and privacy checks as well.=A0 possibly a government standard, administered via gov't offices, but 'franshised' to freee = market companies that *must* share the identity database would work.=A0 much = like govenrment social service identity cards an services are bid out to contractors. =A0 whatever it is, i sure hope it starts happening soon... =A0 MCA -----Original Message----- From: Paul D. Murphy [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:00 PM To: ngfx-hailstorm Subject: [ngfx-hailstorm] RE: .NET My Services news letter #1 Two single sign-ons, Passport and Liberty Being able to authenticate your identity via a third party is a = fundamental Web service. However, since no single company will ever be able to sign = up all Internet users, the importance of a widely accepted federation = system to cross trust boundaries and enable single sign-in is paramount. This = article reviews the two current leaders, Microsoft's Passport and the Liberty Alliance Project. Read on to learn about how Kerberos works, how = Passport could make use of Kerberos for federation, what the objectives of the Liberty Alliance are and more..=20 http://www.webservices.org/article.php?sid=3D370 =20 I think the online world should mirror the real world and a government agency should control identity. Everything else is fair game in the open markets, but if you look the dynamics of the way things work in the = flesh, the way things work in the cloud shouldn't be different. I never thought = I would suggest my government get involved in my industry, but identity is sacred. If you think about how easy it is right now to create an online identity, what the wide spread acceptance of this technology will mean = for day to day consumption of goods and services, and the possible elements = of fraud that you could exploit with multiple identities; you have a lot of issues. Not to mention the technical aspects of it. In the United States the individual states control identity and it just seems to work. I have to whip out my drivers license to do almost = anything, especially since September 11, because people know that they can trust = the governments identity system It's not 100% perfect and it can be faked = but it's a little more work than creating an online identity and the = perception is that it's safe, regulated and accurate. I'm not certain that I can = say the same for any corporate technology. The technical issues are obvious, with a bunch of different identity = issuers what happens. Right now I have msn accounts, hotmail account, aol = accounts and my cable modem accounts, should I go and get a liberty account so I = only have to put my information into 3 or 4 places instead of dozens? Or do = we as good programmers accept every ones service (lots of licensing fees) and = just add a new element to our web apps, the login button row. The other issue that would be solved by issuing identity via a = government agency is legal control. In Germany you can't by Nazi memorabilia; In = this country you can. E-Bay would be much better served if they could filter content based on identity controlled by a government standard. With a government issued identity the law that dictates the level of service = E-Bay can provide can be implicitly associated with a group (ala German = Citizens can't purchase Nazi memorabilia.). Time for me to stop ranting. I love what MS is doing with NMS, but I'm = about certain that the whole identity issue and everyone fighting to snatch = this element of life away from the government will be the downfall of the = whole system. Hope I'm wrong though, this stuff is neat and could just change = the way people use the computer. 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