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Rob Waggoner (VIP)

In poking around on the net for resources for the Winforms list, I have had to wade through a great deal of webform material. *Most* book material discusses VB.Net and c# in the context of ASP.Net.

So the question for the day is why? What is the glamour surrounding web forms?

Waggs

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Matthew Reynolds

The "glamour" related to Web Forms I think is down to the fact that the
classic ASP community in terms of sites like 4 Guys, Learn ASP, etc. was so
well developed that the people running these sites started talking about
ASP.NET and getting people excited about it.

Even though I've worked with VB6 for several years, I'd struggle to find
*one* third party community site as good as the cream of the ASP lot.

What's happening, I think, is that there's naturally more information out
there about ASP.NET than there is about WinForms, which is why people are
gravitating more towards this technology. As a community, we have a greater
understanding of it.

However, I personally believe that the advanced made in deployment of code
and the security model of .NET coupled with the various incremental
improvements made to WinForms over MFC/VB6/Delphi means that we'll see a
move away from ASP.NET definitely in the intranet and to an extent in the
extranet and maybe even Internet spaces.

With intranets, people love the ease of deployment, but hate the limits of
the UI. (Which brings me back to your other point Rob, re the whole DHTML
and rich-client-like functionality of modern browsers). With .NET, the
deployment problems almost disappear and you get this incredibly rich UI.

I personally think that the next twelve months are going to be very
challenging for ASP.NET. I'm inclined to think that the biggest competitor
of that technology isn't from another platform, but is in fact from Windows
Forms.

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Waggoner [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address]
Sent: 18 January 2002 14:01
To: winforms-community
Subject: [winforms-community] So why are web forms currently the rage?

In poking around on the net for resources for the Winforms list, I have had
to wade through a great deal of webform material. *Most* book material
discusses VB.Net and c# in the context of ASP.Net.

So the question for the day is why? What is the glamour surrounding web
forms?

Waggs

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RTaylor@datastarusa.com

Rob/Matthew
I'm a VB programmer on the desktop side and a
Cold Fusion programmer on the web side. The main reason
CF was chose over ASP was because of its ease of use,
rapid development, and all the built-in tools (like email). When
I started hearing about ASP.NET my ears perked up. I found
that it had just about all of the features of CF5 (that was just released)
plus more. The development time appears to be greatly
improved, but I think that it might fall a little short of CF in some
areas, but the trade-off is HUGE. Pages are precompiled and caching
can be set at many levels, so server response times are awesome.
The .NET framework opens so many functions, you can sarcastically
complain that there is too much.

But then I came across some new features with VB.NET
that allow for remote updates. No more issues with keeping my programs
up to date. I have a rich UI environment so for the complex estimating
system, that I am building, will run a whole lot smoother than any web
app could do. This is where I'm really excited about .NET. In my early
development, I have struggled more than I think I should be. It does
appear that just about all of the documents I found are for ASP.NET,
not VB.NET. Just to give an example, datagrids. Feature wise,
ASP.NET's version seems to run laps around the one found in VB.NET.
Why can't Microsoft make these act a little more alike?

Matthew, I would like to make a comment about VB.NET competing
with ASP.NET. On the Window platform, I think that it could turn that way.
The
automatic updating and the richness of the UI pulls most developers that
way.
BUT, I see ASP.NET fitting everywhere else, which is a growing population.
Cell phones, PDAs, non-MS OSs, and anything else that could be web-enabled
(your refrigerator!).

--->Robert

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The "glamour" related to Web Forms I think is down to the fact that the
classic ASP community in terms of sites like 4 Guys, Learn ASP, etc. was so
well developed that the people running these sites started talking about
ASP.NET and getting people excited about it.

Even though I've worked with VB6 for several years, I'd struggle to find
*one* third party community site as good as the cream of the ASP lot.

What's happening, I think, is that there's naturally more information out
there about ASP.NET than there is about WinForms, which is why people are
gravitating more towards this technology. As a community, we have a
greater
understanding of it.

However, I personally believe that the advanced made in deployment of code
and the security model of .NET coupled with the various incremental
improvements made to WinForms over MFC/VB6/Delphi means that we'll see a
move away from ASP.NET definitely in the intranet and to an extent in the
extranet and maybe even Internet spaces.

With intranets, people love the ease of deployment, but hate the limits of
the UI. (Which brings me back to your other point Rob, re the whole DHTML
and rich-client-like functionality of modern browsers). With .NET, the
deployment problems almost disappear and you get this incredibly rich UI.

I personally think that the next twelve months are going to be very
challenging for ASP.NET. I'm inclined to think that the biggest competitor
of that technology isn't from another platform, but is in fact from Windows
Forms.

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Waggoner [mailto:Click here to reveal e-mail address]
Sent: 18 January 2002 14:01
To: winforms-community
Subject: [winforms-community] So why are web forms currently the rage?

In poking around on the net for resources for the Winforms list, I have had
to wade through a great deal of webform material. *Most* book material
discusses VB.Net and c# in the context of ASP.Net.

So the question for the day is why? What is the glamour surrounding web
forms?

Waggs

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